I’m not trying to convince anyone to go back i promise, quite the contrary actually cause I think spez plans to just decrease the cost of the API and act like it was a bargain deal sacrifice while not solving any of the issues at all
But, when I think about it even if spez did actually listen and reverse all changes I don’t think i want to go back to Reddit cause from what Ive seen Lemmy is just friendlier and less :Be Corporate Friendly: I would honestly love it if Lemmy did a project like r/place one of these days so we could see what the internet is actually like instead of what happened in 2022 (I really did enjoy what a bunch of communities did but when the mods started abusing their powers to make it corporate r/place lost so much meaning) but i am curious since i’m not going back is there anything Reddit can do to make you go back to Reddit?
I’ll be real: I don’t want to go back. I want a return to actual communities and comradery, and an exodus from “social” influencers, on ad-riddled and bloated soap boxes.
Spez resigning and free API access to all third party apps as it was before.
Honestly though? Lemmy is reminding me of old reddit and I’m enjoying it so who knows if I’d even go back if this site keeps growing at the rate that it is.
while i have been liking my time here, i can’t say i’ll never go on reddit again. i’d like for lemmy to become my primary browsing platform, but there simply isn’t my favourite niche communities on here- in particular r/namenerds, r/battlejackets, r/posthardcore, and all the bullet journalling subs. unless those communities migrate, i’ll still go on reddit (yes, mobile) to engage with them, since those are some of my favourite hobbies, even if i’m hoping to spend more time with lemmy.
At this point, me run out of alternatives worth trying. Just signed up for a lemmy instance today, and liking what I’m seeing so far (even if communities are quite a lot smaller than I’m used to at the moment), but there are other sites that might scratch the reddit itch that I’ll try even if the fediverse stuff doesn’t take off. Reddit has shown that that they’re a) greedy, and b) incompetent at being greedy. And I’m not going to contribute to them again until I’m well and truly out of other options.
Yea I feel like after spending the day on Lemmy.world I’d like to see where this goes. I think if one thing is true reddit created a genre of a “central” place to go to connect with one another over random stuff with anonymous access.
I think lemmy will have a bright future, it certainly scratches that connectivity itch that most of the nerds on these types of site have.
Return in all aspects to how it used to be in 2014 or earlier, but it will never happen because enshittification cannot be reverted.
That includes the bloated inefficient new design that includes an intentionally hostile mobile website that shits the bed on 3G connections, the echo chamber machinery, random layout shifts, NSFW login walls, automated censorship and shadowbanning, the privileges for the big subreddits and the big sponsored powermods.
Honestly I really don’t see much of a future for profit-driven social media. Time and time again we’ve seen that power over communication is just too much power for an individual company to have. The fediverse makes a lot of sense, but I’m not sure if it’s the ultimate end state. It would be very nice if it were
YouTube was great before creators made money from it. Now it’s 99% hypebeasts
I don’t think creators making money is the root of most social media issues. I would place more blame on greedy monetization by parent companies and algorithms that prioritize engagement above any other metric. Engagement shouldn’t be a primary metric for value.
Reddit is not what it ought to be. It’s overwhelming toxic environment just ruins what could have been a great forum. But it is what it is and for that reason, I’m out.
Going back at this point would be like returning to an abusive partner and thinking that the relationship could actually be better this time.
Exactly. Reddit is a far cry from what Aaron wanted it to be in the beginning. It’s just another corporate hellscape like all the other big platforms have become.
I’m done.
The subs I moderated have either gone dark, or are going dark in the next ciuple days.
And with that I let the mod teams I was a part of know that I am moving on. I hate what reddit did to the community, and my time feels better spent where it will be appreciated.
I haven’t left reddit, but I am sure I will be spending more time here in the fidiverse than sites like reddit and twitter.
First and foremost, get third party clients working again. I am used to RiF. I tried the official app. It was very busy but showed much less useful information per screen. I could not even even leave it installed on my phone. It kept spamming (shitty) notifications to try to goose my engagement, even after I disabled them.
Anger about bad corporate decisions fades, but if I cannot comfortably use a site, I cannot come back.
Reverse API changes, fire Spez, and sticky an apology to the frontpage.
But even if they did that, I’m not going back 😂
I’ve been tired of reddit for a while, too many bots, too many bad mods, too many psychos and trolls. Basically, it’s just too crowded. It’s nothing like it was when I joined in 2010. The spirit of the site died a long time ago and you can’t get it back.
As someone who really only went on Reddit for memes and techie discussions, I think I can say this: for my use-case, there was nothing special about Reddit itself. In fact, one thing I have realized is just how little the nature of the host matters beyond ease of use. Sure, certain formats lend themselves better to certain use-cases, but ultimately humans are social creatures, and even in the most inconvenient of circumstances, we find a way to make it work.
And once you realize that, it becomes less about the medium, and more about the people who lead the discourse. From what I can gather, Reddit lost that discourse a long time ago. And as such, their downfall was only a matter of time.
Funny, I was just having that discussion with someone.
I think the problem is all these platforms think the platform is the value and not the content made by the users.
And of course, since they have the best platform, it’d be inconceivable that anyone would ever leave because they’re the best.
Twitter, Reddit, Youtube, and Twitch are all doing exactly the ‘value is the platform’ while taking a massive shit on the creators and users that made the platform have any value in the first place, then acting confused why people are angry about how they’re behaving.
No actual human gives a crap about the platform: nobody goes to these sites to go to the site, they go there for the content from someone they like.
This is exactly correct, and herein lies the problem: how do you monetize content creation from people you don’t pay?
Louis Rossman said it best: when you look at a lot of content platforms, you realize their business models don’t make sense. The people managing these companies are riding on VC money knowing full well there isn’t any long-term return. They want to cash out and dip.
This is why I feel like a Federated, user-maintained system is probably best for the long term sustainability of a community. People want a place to enjoy something or someone? Let’s make it happen, by our own means
Agreed. The community MUST own it’s own platform or else they’re just renters that can be evicted the minute someone thinks they can make money from them.
This also isn’t just an online issue (though my view is US-centric). There’s been a lot of talk about the decline of a ‘3rd place’ and its loss impacting social gatherings. You have your house, work, and then your social spaces, and there’s a very big lack of social places where gathering and relaxing are acceptable without also having to engage in buying permission to be there.
This carried over into a lot of people going online to find the same social gatherings, and then seeing the gathering places turned into profit centers for the owners without any discussion with the users of the space, and now they’re finding that they don’t have anywhere to go be social, and the online places that filled that gap are now vanishing as well.
Now I’m not a sociologist (just a simple country computer janitor), but it strongly feels like a lot of the hyper-tribalism and aggressiveness that people are exhibiting are a direct result of having all the social spaces torn away and turned into profit centers, with zero regards for the people who visited or contributed to them.
It just makes everyone more isolated and willing to hop on to whatever the next big ‘social trend’ that some algorithm drops in front of them, and I think at this point it’s pretty unarguable that what the algorithms are doing is not always benign. You gain a place to belong, even if what you’re belonging to is abhorrent and toxic.
CEO resignation. A big fuck you to IPO? Apollo continuing. None of this will happen though.
One can only dream lol
Whats dead, stays dead to me. At the end of the day its just another cold, heartless business trying to milk you. I’ll definitely miss the fun times though
Even if they revert the API changes, I know It’s only going to get worse when the IPO happens, so I don’t think I could ever come back. I also like the federated approach more anyways 🤷
I like the idea of federation, but worry about three things:
- What happens when the instance I’m a part of pulls a Spez? With a federated system, it’s easy enough to join another instance or spin up my own. However, it now means that I’ve got to keep an eye on dozens of community policy statements instead of just one, and none of these tiny fiefdoms are large enough yet to have dealt with the moderation growing pains that truly sink sites.
- How do they get paid? If even a small fraction of Reddit migrates to Beehaw, we’re talking about several orders of magnitude more server fees. What does it mean for data privacy when all these fediverse sites finally start thinking about sustainable funding models? What does it mean for moderation when Beehaw is large enough to attract bots, shills, and corporate interests?
- Privacy. The only thing keeping posts and DMs private in the fediverse is a handshake agreement that if you run an instance, you won’t leak things you’re sent from the other instances
Those are valid concerns, however privacy could be solved by support for encrypted DMs and posts. IIRC Mastodon has plans for encrypted posts and DMs, so it’s not out of the realm.
Hopefully, hosting costs could be handled by a reasonable number of users donating a small amount regularly. It I agree, it’s not a guarantee; and it’s one of the reasons I’m looking into setting up my own hosting—both for owning my own content and for better understanding what it takes so I can have better ideas how to help when bigger servers grow and cost more.
