internet gryphon. admin of Beehaw, mostly publicly interacting with people. nonbinary. they/she

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Cake day: January 28th, 2022

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  • Beehaw’s defederation purpose is very clear, and they didn’t start the drama. The mods of Beehaw started it as a safe space for minorities and marginalized communities, which is why you have to apply for an account there in the first place.

    also just to hop in here and underscore a really important point: THE DRAMA IS LITERALLY ALL USERS BEING WEIRD ABOUT THIS. NOBODY ON THE ADMIN SIDE CARES. WE ARE LITERALLY COORDINATING WITH THE PEOPLE WE DEFEDERATED WITH (and a bunch of other folks) TO MAKE THE PLATFORM BETTER SO WE DON’T EVEN HAVE TO DO THIS. THERE IS NO ENMITY BETWEEN US AT ALL. this is so fucking weird to watch play out, because it’s all people getting mad on behalf of their instances when everybody behind the scenes is chill and understands!


  • By not being prepared for it. It was setup with default communities, like technology for example (correct me if I’m wrong), but no plan to deal with those with moderation capabilities and levels that reach their own standard.

    i mean… yeah? it’s not every day you suddenly have 5x the number of total users on your site visiting the site per minute because a major corporation just did something extremely unpopular with no forewarning. if we had that kind of clairvoyance, i’d be a millionaire and running this site would just be my full-time job. this strikes me as an irrational critique informed by the hindsight you have now, weeks after it began.

    Somehow lemmy.world and others can deal with it without defederating others so that’s where I’ll go.

    this is primarily because they have more permissive rules and no defined ethos they’re trying to upkeep—or at least, they don’t have the latter in a way that requires constant maintenance. (as a point of note last i checked, lemmy.world didn’t even have listed rules, per se,[1] so it’d be hard to parse what’s even not allowed as a user besides “actively illegal content”) we, by contrast, have a very clear idea of what we want—we spent a year thinking about it, and we’re at a year and a half of making it reality—so defederation in the absence of better mod tools is an extremely obvious way to maintain that. actually it’s the only tool we have in a lot of cases, which is a gripe we have with Lemmy that we’re trying to solve


    1. although Ruud has told us he’ll moderate hate speech, bigotry, etc. from the top, so implicitly those aren’t supposed to be allowed. i question how viable doing this is with such an open-registration policy, more-or-less unvetted mods, and lots of communities to keep track of but i suppose all instances here can be thought of as large-scale experiments right now ↩︎


  • alyaza@beehaw.orgMtoTechnology@beehaw.org•Defederation?
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    3 years ago

    Or in this case, it is an ego driven crybaby fest because someone got jealous other instances got big.

    i don’t see how this would logically follow—wouldn’t our course of action if we wanted this to be something like opening registrations? we very much don’t have a shortage of people clamoring to get in here—our backlog is 4,500—and if anything we’re worried about too many people, not too few. we simply have no interest in growth at all costs, and we were… honestly pretty fine with being a 700-user instance before the big blowup here. certainly it’d have been less stressful, lol





  • obviously it’s a bit chaotic because anyone can input stuff and i’m not sure how curated the output is, but i like to just surf the “read a message” button. here’s one i just got:

    dear reader,

    you might not understand now. you might not believe, or trust it now. but i do. i trust that this message finds the right people. if you are seeing this it’s because you were supposed to. this is your message:

    remember that you aren’t alone in this world and that they might not be in your life currently but there are people who care about you so keep on going (;

    P.S. i love you more than you could ever imagine <3333 keep doing ya thang luv