If you don’t trust it, why use it? It’s still slop in the end, just somewhat less slopified.

Consider: either you are smarter than the tool you use, in which case it doesn’t really offer anything much, or you are dumber than the tool you use, in which case you wouldn’t be qualified to judge its results anyway.

To be fair, when it comes to both physical and digital fascism, every time the slippery slopers have been told they are sloping and exaggerating, they are actually proven right.

Unless you use xdg-desktop-portal, the field that systemd added does absolutely nothing.

Yet. it’s a foot-on-the-door to demand more stuff, and some distros have already shown they are going to merrily open up their arses and ours.

Congrats guys! We did it!

Thanks for joining in!

Seriously, enough was going on with the project that the AI was just the final nail (or the deepest nail) in the coffin. What’s important is that we denounce AI where we see it, as this (and not “usage”) is the only non-violent way we have to try and lead a change in how AI is developed and deployed in the first place. The problem is not simply “someone can use AI in their spare time”, it’s what even has to happen as a prerequisite for that to even be a thing in the first place (code theft, mass license violation, environmental destruction, RAM shortages, erosion of civil and digital rights, exemptions for big corpo, you name it).

We should all feel ashamed that an open source project was shuttered because of how our community acted.

Open Source means the source is open, not that you can do whatever ass-unethical thing you want. That weird impression of the world is something that techbros, cryptobros and liberals are trying to push. Don’t be fooled. We defended ourselves, and we managed a tie.

That’s precisely why they have to be resisted and/or we have to look for alternatives that Do One Thing Well. Among many other issues, the networking effect issue with EverythingApps is quite double-faceted in that, because they do everything, their “weight” not only acts as gilded cages to prevent people from leaving, but also to prevent developers, working on their spare time, from developing something that can be reasonably understood as an “alternative” (because the alternative has to also Do Everything).

It’s basically playing a loser game to lose, see eg.: Mozilla always at best playing catch-up to Google, or why we can’t seem to move from BloatedWebWithReact to something like Gopher (or even make a proper Gopher 2.0).

All that said, I feel like XMPP and Matterbridge are approaching this from the right perspective. Just implement a global communication protocol and leave to platform makers (or platform users) the task of bridging from and to whatever directions they want.

Hmmmm voice chat eh?

Well then it’s time to recommend Mumble!

I hear Snikket makes it really easy to host XMPP (aka Jabber).

Bringing back a meme from the very early '00s (if not earlier), I’d say something like “Cloning Discord is my passion”.

It really looks like every programmer wannabe is trying to bumrush a Discord codeslop for free internet fame points these days!

Even if the “has an optional AI assistant” was not a thing, the repo includes an AGENTS.md file, which is also listed in the criteria, and more than qualifies it as slopware.

It might be, but for some people that might, understandably, be already bad enough, a line in the sand if you will.

I’m reminded of this statement about LLMs and the kind of people who use them in the first place. It’s an early indicator that quality (and sovereignty) of the software is going to go the incline down.

Geez… problems never end, do they.

I’m barely active in Codeberg. Unless someone beats me by, say, end-of-month, I might file an issue about it; that said, I’d like to be able to offer at least one (1) functional alternative rather than simply +1’ing to the complains that this or that is Never Good Enough.

Damn it!!! 😵

Quick! Someone add it to Open Slopware!

Truly an actor of all time. Sometimes I think Oscars and Emmys and all that shit should be able to be granted retroactively (hellooooo, “you broke your little ships” scene).

You could, in the meantime, simply not upgrade to the version that uses AI.

Since, from what I’m seeing around, people are having issues looking for an alternative.

“I use LibreOffice Writer and other Linux apps”. There, simple as that.

If they ask why and show a more actual concerned interest, I usually mention Microslop history of privacy invasions and history of deliberate incompatibilities in Office, and recommend a few links documenting that stuff as well as some legal hot waters Microslop has gotten into.

Could you build an interface on top of it to look exactly like discord with all of it’s functions?

In theory yes, and Movim is movim’ in that direction (yeah I invented that pun, blame me). That’s part of the trick with XMPP, it’s quite extensible.

He’s already talking to that machine of his that censors his drunken ramblings with cute little asterisks. I wonder what does that do to someone’s psyque tho.

Yeah there’s a lot of stuff like that. If moving a page requires updating the history of every page that links to it, that’s a whole mess that’s much easier to handle when your wiki is a database.

Heck, it’s even worse. What happens if you move a page that has translations (with the Translate plugin) pages associated to it? Translated pages are not necessarily linked to each other, and even if they were, the semantics of trying to move each one can cause issues.

In the end, IMO, it’s not worth the effort to automatize. Just use something like implement “move” as “make a copy and leave a redirect behind”… which IIRC MediaWiki also does, and leave manual operators to decide what to do with the moved-from redirects after the fact.